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Fleam wrote:
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Why??Besides the economy which is a huge issue then can easily start with all this "hope and change" crap that makes people all warm on the inside but is just another load of shit from a spineless politician.....
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I meant by the starting point the reckless policies by Bush camp...loan money, next year more and the next year even more. Cut the taxes without worries about tomorrow. The party is over. Simply put, YOU ARE SCREWED, no matter who leads the country.
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Heres my point and I understand yours..But do you really think I give a fuck about a % of Americans from the left who need to be embraced by Europeans???Well I dont ..And heres reality..If im doing business with you and I dont find you legitimate then I stope doing business with you..Its really that simple...But at the end of the day business as usual continues with the US and the rest of the world so why should I care what other people think of us??Europeans can claim it all they want but you didnt like us all that much during the Clinton years either....I mean shit, between bombing pharmacuetical plants,Yugoslavia,extroirdinary rendition and much more there really wasnt all that much difference in how we ran foreign policy........
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The contradiction is right there...while you write how you are proud of what Bush has done, the rest of the world sees Bush and your kind of people supporting his policies a sorry, living joke.
The truth is that US hasn't been for years anything any intelligent person could be proud of. I mean for fuck's sake, are you proud of Guantanamo Bay camp too?
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You think that has anything to do with Bush??It has to do with electing a BLACK MAN in a MAJORITY WHITE COUNTRY....First time in history..Not bad for a bunch of xenophobic and racist morons..But that just highlights how Europeans know NOTHING about Americans..If your GOOD ENOUGH YOU CAN GET ELECTED.....Simple as that
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Oh yes it has to do with Bush. Without his continuous fuck ups McCain would have had better chance to become the next president and the republicans would NOT have lost all the majorities the did.
People were fed up with Bush and his policies. Are you seriously trying to tell me that Obama won only because he has dark skin?
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Why??The simple fact is that Al Qaeda hasnt hit American soil since 2001..Al Qaeda,if you havent noticed is getting smoked all across Iraq..Its gotten so bad they are pretty much moving on to Afghanistan..I assume with 16 months will be moving full brigades there to deal with the Taliban resurgence..Bin Laden is hiding in a cave..Zawahiri is resorting to calling Obama a "house nigger"..Is that the best they have??But why was it a mistake??To remove a dictator??To fight Al Qaeda there and kill thousands and thousands of them??To give them a democracy??To crush Al Sadr and his goons??
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Ehh, you are making quite interesting conclusions of US achievements in Iraq. First of all, you write like international Al Qaeda was operated and led from Iraq (taking out Iraq = Al Qaeda is out of game)...that is strange, because the FACT is that Al Qaeda was paying attention to the country only AFTER US invaded and occupied the country. Simply put US dragged Al Qaeda to Iraq. Any "information" proving links with Saddam and Al Qaeda is Bushist bullshit propaganda (read = LIES), proven to be bullshit long time ago.
Please tell me you are not STILL believing in that crap that Saddam was cooperating with Al Qaeda and that the county was a nest of Al Qaeda terrorists before US invasion?
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Wasnt alive during that time.....But I know the results..Millions dead because our cowardly politicians couldnt finish what they started...
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For some odd reason, that almost fits Iraq and Afghanistan. Not that many killed as in Vietnam but hundreds of thousands anyway.
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Its OVER Fleam and has been...You just have to pay attention........Might I suggest a reporter who spends ALL his time on the front lines???Its easy when reporters who sit in the Green Zone writing stories but how about a man who actually live it..Open your eyes a little....
http://www.michaelyon-online.com/
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| The Iraq war is over. Barring the unforeseen, the darkest days are behind, though we are still losing soldiers to low-level fighting with enemies that are true “dead-enders.” Last month we lost seven Americans in combat in Iraq. Peace, however, is not upon us. Another thirty or so Iraqis died today in suicide attacks. Nobody suffers more at the hands of Islamic terrorists than other Muslims. | | |
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Peace is not upon you. US or anyone else foreign power can not calm down Irag (eliminate terrorism completely), and Afghanistan is worse. Terrorism that the Iraq war DRAGGED into the country, is alive and well. You can't kill it by your weapons. Sad but true.
Israel has tried the same trick for some decades now. Hasn't so far worked.
A small prediction to this point: As the US troop withdrawal closes, terrorists will increase their attacs. Just to piss you off and show that they have not been defeated.
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Needs fixing badly..And as im sure that you agree that Afghanistan was the right move can you tell me what Europeans are doing to help?Besides the UK and the Dutch it seems you could give a rats ass about the country......
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Yes, I somewhat agree that attacking Afghanistan was a righteous move, but what comes to other points...you need to check you information. There are Finnish soldiers as well as soldiers from other Nordic countries in peace keeping operations in Afghanistan. My friend (professional soldier) has worked both in Iraq and Afghanistan. Yes, they are not there to kill, but provide safety for people who do not wish to live under Taleban's or any other fucked up terrorist group's orders.
The problem with Afghanistan is quite the same as is Iraq, but worse: No one else but the Afghans themselves can control the country. Taleban or any other Afghan guerilla group can not be eliminated by foreign powers. Soviet Union tried that, and they were kicked out. Now its US's time to learn the same mistake.
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Whos denying that??Its not me who said the Chinese of Japanese werent credible or reputable........
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I think you should atleast admit (while accusing dems for the financial crisis) that it was not Clinton but Bush camp who loaned massive amounts of money, for example to pay their insane war in Iraq.
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As I said, Bush leaves a massive load of SHIT to Obama to deal with. Nice. And you are of course ready to blame dems if they can't fix all the problems in no time.
-Fleam
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