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Six nights of non stop rioting and the major media is nowhere to be found...

Takes them a while to catch up.

They even mention the 'M' word.

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Riots and Rage

On the streets of Clichy-sous-Bois, the angry neighborhood epitomizing the alienation of Muslim immigrants in Paris

French riot police patrol Clichy-sous-Bois on Nov. 2
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Nov. 3, 2005 - Wednesday is market day in this worn-down collection of housing projects northeast of Paris. Stalls are thrown up until midafternoon on a muddy stretch of parking lot. Their yellowed tarpaulins and worn umbrellas cut a swath of faded color through gray apartment blocks strung with laundry and pocked with satellite dishes. Veiled women, palms reddened with henna, move through November damp; hawkers offer everything from sportswear to the odd djellaba robes, pomegranates to shampoo, halal rabbit to teapots. It could be any immigrant neighborhood near the French capital, but this is Clichy-sous-Bois, flashpoint for this week’s spreading violence between police and mostly-Muslim residents. It could also be the burial ground for the presidential aspirations of Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy. 

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On the streets of Clichy-sous-Bois, the angry neighborhood epitomizing the alienation of Muslim immigrants in Paris

I'm impressed..

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They even mention the 'M' word.

After eight days they couldnt really hide it anymore.......A French intelligence report 2 years ago said that it was going to be a time bomb and it was only a matter of when it was going to go off.....Eight days ago that prediction came true...

For all the whiny Europeans gloating over the US's downtrodden its kind of amusing when it blows up in their face...Giving someone shelter and hiding them away in ghettos changes nothing..Not assimilating them and living out the multiculutral fantasy is slowly crashing down...First it was Theo Van Gogh and now Paris....And with Europeans slowly killing themselves off in a world of selfishness its sad to see them disappearing before our very eyes....

Its easy for them to blame the ills of terrorism and Islamic fundamentalism on George Bush because it gives them an excuse to do nothing about it....But three years from now they wont have that excuse anymore though it seems that the fight is coming to them much quicker than they could have imagined....

 

 

 

 

 

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Its easy for them to blame the ills of terrorism and Islamic fundamentalism on George Bush because it gives them an excuse to do nothing about it....But three years from now they wont have that excuse anymore though it seems that the fight is coming to them much quicker than they could have imagined....

I think your right!

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God damn Bush and his illegal war!!!!!If only the Jews would disappear!!

http://www.expatica.com/source/site_article.asp?subchannel_i d=25&story_id=24044&name=Algerian+group+calls+France +’enemy+number+one’

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PARIS, Sept 27 (AFP) - An Algerian Islamist organisation, the Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat (GSPC), has issued a call for action against France which it describes as "enemy number one", intelligence officials said Tuesday.

"The only way to teach France to behave is jihad and the Islamic martyr," the group's leader Abu Mossab Abdelwadoud, also own as Abdelmalek Dourkdal, was quoted as saying in an Internet message earlier this month.

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A handicapped woman was doused with petrol and set on fire by youths during another night of rioting in Paris.

The 56-year-old suffered third degree burns to 20% of her body in the attack.

Witnesses said a youth poured petrol over the woman and then threw a Molotov cocktail on to the bus she was travelling on in the suburb of Sevran.

Other passengers were able to flee but she was unable to escape because of her disabilities.

And just remember....Its the "youths" who are at fault....

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God damn Bush and his illegal war!!!!!

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PARIS, Sept 27 (AFP) - An Algerian Islamist organisation, the Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat (GSPC), has issued a call for action against France which it describes as "enemy number one", intelligence officials said Tuesday.

"The only way to teach France to behave is jihad and the Islamic martyr," the group's leader Abu Mossab Abdelwadoud, also own as Abdelmalek Dourkdal, was quoted as saying in an Internet message earlier this month.

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A handicapped woman was doused with petrol and set on fire by youths during another night of rioting in Paris.

The 56-year-old suffered third degree burns to 20% of her body in the attack.

Witnesses said a youth poured petrol over the woman and then threw a Molotov cocktail on to the bus she was travelling on in the suburb of Sevran.

Other passengers were able to flee but she was unable to escape because of her disabilities.

See if you can spot the hint in this BBC article.........

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4405620.stm

Youths???

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Youths burned buildings and more than 500 vehicles in the eighth consecutive night of rioting.

Africans??

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The unrest was sparked by the deaths of two teenagers of African origin.

Gangs of youths..........

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As on previous nights, gangs of youths armed with bricks and sticks roamed the streets of housing estates. The situation had calmed down at dawn.

Last paragraph........Can you find it??

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Muslim leaders have urged politicians to show respect for immigrant communities.



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See if you can spot the hint in this BBC article.........

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4405620.stm

Youths???

Here is proof of what I have been saying!

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First it was Theo Van Gogh and now Paris....And with Europeans slowly killing themselves off in a world of selfishness its sad to see them disappearing before our very eyes....

They are completely lost connection to reality... Seems the French authorities now more interested in keeping their 'humanistic' face than in own survival...

I wouldn't give a shit for old good Europe since now because they've lost even instinct of self-perservation... They can't win...

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I wouldn't give a shit for old good Europe since now because they've lost even instinct of self-perservation... They can't win...

If they don't wake up & smell the coffee soon..they can't win!

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They are completely lost connection to reality...

Bah..The "freedom fighters" in France are oppressed and under "occupation" from the French authorities cleaning up the ghettos........

 

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Seems the French authorities now more interested in keeping their 'humanistic' face than in own survival...

At least Sarkozy talks a good game......But remember,looking like the heavy handed Russians or Americans is not the European way regardless of if your cities are burning or not.....And then its up to us to come rescue them after its already too late for them to do it themselves

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I wouldn't give a shit for old good Europe since now because they've lost even instinct of self-perservation... They can't win...

I agree with the first part though I think they still have an opportunity to win this war but they have to start coming to grips with a few facts..But how long though before all of Europe implodes????

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9891709/

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AUBERVILLIERS, France - Widespread riots across impoverished areas of France took a malevolent turn in a ninth night of violence, with youths torching an ambulance and stoning medical workers coming to the aid of a sick person. Authorities arrested more than 250 people, an unprecedented sweep since the beginning of the unrest.

Unreported riots in Denmark but thats always been expected from the media frauds who would rather blame Bush for the Muslim worlds ills......

http://www.dr.dk/Nyheder/Andre+sprog/English/2005/11/02/1117 03.htm

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Police in Århus have announced a zero tolerance policy over for the troublemakers who have been rampaging through a suburb of Århus during the weekend.The area of Viby, just outside central Århus has witnessed a spate of riots all weekend with shop windows being smashed, a kindergarten burnt out and general violence occurring between mainly young people with immigrant backgrounds and the police. The zero tolerance hard-line has met criticism from an expert in youth research. Susasne Branner Jespersen said that a zero tolerance stance only increases the hatred between the youths and police. The Mayor of Århus Louise Gade dismissed the concerns of experts and said that a hard-line must be taken with these troublemakers so ordinary law-abiding citizens could feel safe in their homes.


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If they don't wake up & smell the coffee soon..

Its gut check time.........Half assed and backwards cultures not assimilated into western civilization is a disaster of epic proportions..........

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Unreported riots in Denmark but thats always been expected from the media frauds who would rather blame Bush for the Muslim worlds ills......

I saw this a couple of days ago & then could not find it to post, glad you found it Headrock.

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I saw this a couple of days ago & then could not find it to post, glad you found it Headrock.

Uh oh..............

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051106/ap_on_re_eu/france_rioti ng

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PARIS - The urban unrest that triggered scores of arson attacks on vehicles, nursery schools and other targets across France reached the capital overnight, with police saying early Sunday that 13 cars were burned.

By 1 a.m., at least 607 vehicles were burned — including those in Paris, said Patrick Hamon, spokesman for the national police. The overall figures were expected to climb by daybreak, he added.

And they still wont say it............I feel like a detective trying to sort through clues.......

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The violence — originally concentrated in neighborhoods northeast of Paris with large immigrant populations —

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The unrest is forcing France to confront long-simmering anger in its suburbs, where many Africans and their French-born children live on society's margins, struggling with unemployment, poor housing, racial discrimination, crime and a lack of opportunity.

Call a spade a spade already........Muslim youth who are unassimilated and who are  locked in ghettos and forgotten about as long as they get their monthly check are now lashing out...........

FREE OCCUPIED FRANCE FROM THE PIG POLICE AND RACIST GOVERNMENT!!!

 




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At least Sarkozy talks a good game

Unfortunately only talks... It smells like a bad PR so far...

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But remember,looking like the heavy handed Russians or Americans is not the European way regardless of if your cities are burning or not

I had been living side by side with asians for almost twenty years... French doesn't understand the basis of eastern mentality: force is the only thing these guys do understand... We see the good will gesture in attempts to come to agreement they see only the demonstration of weakeness...

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And then its up to us to come rescue them after its already too late for them to do it themselves

Yeah... Though I don't know how to... If earlier there was an enemy and we knew where should we go to kick the enemy's butts, now that would be a real problem...

What would we do if one precious day we are told that France is muslim and now is ruled by mad mullahs? Missile strike to Clichy-sous-Bois?

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If they don't wake up & smell the coffee soon..they can't win!

This time they smell the frog legs and this weakening them...

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This time they smell the frog legs and this weakening them...

 

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Unfortunately only talks... It smells like a bad PR so far...

Very true but the real nightmare is if it leads to a real French fascist being elected to government...Last time Le Pen mustered 20%......

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I had been living side by side with asians for almost twenty years... French doesn't understand the basis of eastern mentality: force is the only thing these guys do understand... We see the good will gesture in attempts to come to agreement they see only the demonstration of weakeness...

Great point....I think that goodwill gestures and talks can be productive but if you have nothing to back it up if it fails then your in a whole world of trouble...How can anything be solved without a credible threat of force if talks fail??And as you said,without it all they see is signs of weakness...And night ELEVEN of riots should confirm that theory......

 

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What would we do if one precious day we are told that France is muslim and now is ruled by mad mullahs? Missile strike to Clichy-sous-Bois?

Depends....The nuclear weapons factor plays a huge role...Pakistan is one nation that comes to mind..You have a dictator on one hand and Mad Mullahs on the other side if he falls...France is what now??Some 20% Muslim and the largest religious group behind Roman Catholics..With Muslim birth and immigration rates soaring we should expect France to be a Muslim majority in around 40 years unless something changes...Oh well.And they're worried about their culture now??

For all of Americas problems assimililation has never been a problem....You can succeed here if you bust your ass and there is opportunity for everyone..Our problem here seems to be a nice chunk of people who choose not to want to succeed in a capitalist society no matter how much we give......If your spending $320 BILLION on entitlement programs and cant lift 39 MILLION people out of poverty sometimes you have to admit that all the money in the world wont help those who dont want to be helped.......

I found this amusing as well.........



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We see the good will gesture in attempts to come to agreement they see only the demonstration of weakeness...

Why European Govs cannot see this I don't know...

 

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Why European Govs cannot see this I don't know...

Everyone else doesn besides our enlightened European friends.......

 If burning the 'burbs gets you more ''respect'' from Chirac, they'll burn 'em again, and again.-Mark Steyn

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Ever since 9/11, I've been gloomily predicting the European powder keg's about to go up. ''By 2010 we'll be watching burning buildings, street riots and assassinations on the news every night,'' I wrote in Canada's Western Standard back in February.

Silly me. The Eurabian civil war appears to have started some years ahead of my optimistic schedule. As Thursday's edition of the Guardian reported in London: ''French youths fired at police and burned over 300 cars last night as towns around Paris experienced their worst night of violence in a week of urban unrest.''

''French youths,'' huh? You mean Pierre and Jacques and Marcel and Alphonse? Granted that most of the "youths" are technically citizens of the French Republic, it doesn't take much time in les banlieus of Paris to discover that the rioters do not think of their primary identity as ''French'': They're young men from North Africa growing ever more estranged from the broader community with each passing year and wedded ever more intensely to an assertive Muslim identity more implacable than anything you're likely to find in the Middle East. After four somnolent years, it turns out finally that there really is an explosive ''Arab street,'' but it's in Clichy-sous-Bois.

The notion that Texas neocon arrogance was responsible for frosting up trans-Atlantic relations was always preposterous, even for someone as complacent and blinkered as John Kerry. If you had millions of seething unassimilated Muslim youths in lawless suburbs ringing every major city, would you be so eager to send your troops into an Arab country fighting alongside the Americans? For half a decade, French Arabs have been carrying on a low-level intifada against synagogues, kosher butchers, Jewish schools, etc. The concern of the political class has been to prevent the spread of these attacks to targets of more, ah, general interest. They seem to have lost that battle. Unlike America's Europhiles, France's Arab street correctly identified Chirac's opposition to the Iraq war for what it was: a sign of weakness.

The French have been here before, of course. Seven-thirty-two. Not 7:32 Paris time, which is when the nightly Citroen-torching begins, but 732 A.D. -- as in one and a third millennia ago. By then, the Muslims had advanced a thousand miles north of Gibraltar to control Spain and southern France up to the banks of the Loire. In October 732, the Moorish general Abd al-Rahman and his Muslim army were not exactly at the gates of Paris, but they were within 200 miles, just south of the great Frankish shrine of St. Martin of Tours. Somewhere on the road between Poitiers and Tours, they met a Frankish force and, unlike other Christian armies in Europe, this one held its ground ''like a wall . . . a firm glacial mass,'' as the Chronicle of Isidore puts it. A week later, Abd al-Rahman was dead, the Muslims were heading south, and the French general, Charles, had earned himself the surname ''Martel'' -- or ''the Hammer.''

Poitiers was the high-water point of the Muslim tide in western Europe. It was an opportunistic raid by the Moors, but if they'd won, they'd have found it hard to resist pushing on to Paris, to the Rhine and beyond. ''Perhaps,'' wrote Edward Gibbon in The Decline And Fall Of The Roman Empire, ''the interpretation of the Koran would now be taught in the schools of Oxford, and her pulpits might demonstrate to a circumcised people the sanctity and truth of the revelation of Mahomet.'' There would be no Christian Europe. The Anglo-Celts who settled North America would have been Muslim. Poitiers, said Gibbon, was ''an encounter which would change the history of the whole world.''

Battles are very straightforward: Side A wins, Side B loses. But the French government is way beyond anything so clarifying. Today, a fearless Muslim advance has penetrated far deeper into Europe than Abd al-Rahman. They're in Brussels, where Belgian police officers are advised not to be seen drinking coffee in public during Ramadan, and in Malmo, where Swedish ambulance drivers will not go without police escort. It's way too late to rerun the Battle of Poitiers. In the no-go suburbs, even before these current riots, 9,000 police cars had been stoned by ''French youths'' since the beginning of the year; some three dozen cars are set alight even on a quiet night. ''There's a civil war under way in Clichy-sous-Bois at the moment,'' said Michel Thooris of the gendarmes' trade union Action Police CFTC. ''We can no longer withstand this situation on our own. My colleagues neither have the equipment nor the practical or theoretical training for street fighting.''

What to do? In Paris, while ''youths'' fired on the gendarmerie, burned down a gym and disrupted commuter trains, the French Cabinet split in two, as the ''minister for social cohesion'' (a Cabinet position I hope America never requires) and other colleagues distance themselves from the interior minister, the tough-talking Nicolas Sarkozy who dismissed the rioters as ''scum.'' President Chirac seems to have come down on the side of those who feel the scum's grievances need to be addressed. He called for ''a spirit of dialogue and respect.'' As is the way with the political class, they seem to see the riots as an excellent opportunity to scuttle Sarkozy's presidential ambitions rather than as a call to save the Republic.

A few years back I was criticized for a throwaway observation to the effect that ''I find it easier to be optimistic about the futures of Iraq and Pakistan than, say, Holland or Denmark." But this is why. In defiance of traditional immigration patterns, these young men are less assimilated than their grandparents. French cynics like the prime minister, Dominique de Villepin, have spent the last two years scoffing at the Bush Doctrine: Why, everyone knows Islam and democracy are incompatible. If so, that's less a problem for Iraq or Afghanistan than for France and Belgium.

If Chirac isn't exactly Charles Martel, the rioters aren't doing a bad impression of the Muslim armies of 13 centuries ago: They're seizing their opportunities, testing their foe, probing his weak spots. If burning the 'burbs gets you more ''respect'' from Chirac, they'll burn 'em again, and again. In the current issue of City Journal, Theodore Dalrymple concludes a piece on British suicide bombers with this grim summation of the new Europe: ''The sweet dream of universal cultural compatibility has been replaced by the nightmare of permanent conflict.'' Which sounds an awful lot like a new Dark Ages.

 

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